100xOdds
Since PAR sheets released to public eyes are a rarity, and knowing which payback a given slot machine is set to in a casino, it’s not going to give you information to pick out the winning slot machine or one that will pay you more than another (although as we said earlier, analyzing games with more public payout information, like Video Poker, may give some clues). Do you want the PAR sheet for a particular slot machine? That will be almost impossible to get. First, you have to find out which payback program a casino specified for the machine. Most machines have multiple payback programs available for them. Then, if the casino won't give you a copy of the PAR sheet, you have to request a copy from the.
https://www.sggaming.com/games/WMS/class3/VIDEO/Lock-It-Link-Night-Life-4060Saw lots of people playing this game, both NightLife and Diamonds variations.
out of curiosity, want to know what the various Return % settings are.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
gamerfreak
I know of people who became friendly with casino employees and been able to get information on returns of specific from them.
I’m not sure how you would go about that without having any contacts.
I’m not sure how you would go about that without having any contacts.
ThatDonGuy
There's a saying in magic concerning how to learn secrets: 'The trick is told when the trick is sold.'
I have a feeling the 'secrets' (i.e. what you would find on a par sheet) to a slot machine are handled the same way.
I have a feeling the 'secrets' (i.e. what you would find on a par sheet) to a slot machine are handled the same way.
Wizard
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I think if you tipped a slot technician very well he might tell you what return any given game is set to. It's quite another matter to get the par sheet, which I don't know why a recreational player would want anyway.Administrator
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
100xOdds
I think if you tipped a slot technician very well he might tell you what return any given game is set to. It's quite another matter to get the par sheet, which I don't know why a recreational player would want anyway.
how else could I get what the various Return % settings are?
maybe the par sheet isn't what I want?
maybe the marketing summary sheet is what I need?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
Wizard
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how else could I get what the various Return % settings are?
maybe the par sheet isn't what I want?
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maybe the par sheet isn't what I want?
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You just need the theoretical return. A slot technician would be able to get at that easily if he wanted to.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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You just need the theoretical return. A slot technician would be able to get at that easily if he wanted to.
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That's not always true. Sometimes casinos put the par sheet inside the machine, some don't. A regular slot tech wouldn't normally have access to the numbers if they are not in the machine. It would have to be a higher lever tech or Supervisor with access to the Slot Accounting System.
Also, even if they do have access, not many would be willing to share that information and risk their job for $20 or $50. They would most likely be terminated with no warning if seen or found to be sharing that info.
If it was that easy, par sheets would be all over the place.
ZCore13
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Konami Par Sheets
DRich
https://www.sggaming.com/games/WMS/class3/VIDEO/Lock-It-Link-Night-Life-4060
Saw lots of people playing this game, both NightLife and Diamonds variations.
out of curiosity, want to know what the various Return % settings are.
Saw lots of people playing this game, both NightLife and Diamonds variations.
out of curiosity, want to know what the various Return % settings are.
On the Night Life game the marketing materials say there are five different pay schedules from 87% to 95%.
Living longer does not always infer +EV
Mission146
I'm surprised the lowest is that high.
What Is A Par Sheet
doughtaker
If a marketing summary sheet is difficult to find, you could check out certain gaming publications. Typically these monthly or bi-monthly magazines will feature several slots and for each one, will give the range of possible returns. If you want to know the setting of a specific machine at a casino you go to, you best bet without contacts is to hope you can catch a glimpse when the machine is opened up and being worked on by a tech or attendant.
As for legally finding a PAR sheet as a member of the general public with no relevant contacts, that happens either by complete accident or by someone's carelessness.
As for legally finding a PAR sheet as a member of the general public with no relevant contacts, that happens either by complete accident or by someone's carelessness.
Mooseton
So I wrote a Basic program on my iphone to calculate the return for Quick Hits Platinum Black & White Sevens. I used the odds Mission linked to in an earlier thread. Still haven't found a 100%+ QH game, but I really haven't been looking. Just writing the program was a nice mental exercise. I would really like to see some Par sheets for some other current progressive slots to do the same thing and calculate if the game is a positive play. All the slot websites I've checked (IGT, WMS, Bally, etc.) require you to have some sort of job with a casino to see their Par sheets on their websites so I'm outta luck there. Any suggestions?$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,.. :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
teddys
The Wizard is working with an attorney to get PAR sheets for various slots through the Freedom of Information Act. I hope he doesn't mind me revealing that; maybe he will comment on it.'Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe.' -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Wizard
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The Wizard is working with an attorney to get PAR sheets for various slots through the Freedom of Information Act. I hope he doesn't mind me revealing that; maybe he will comment on it.
I think you have two of my stories mixed up. To make a long story short, I don't have any PAR sheets I can legally share and lost my legal fight over another similar matter. More on that when I write about it in May.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
pacomartin
The Wizard is working with an attorney to get PAR sheets for various slots through the Freedom of Information Act.
Dr Kevin A. Harrigan and Mike Dixon, University of Waterloo, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada got PARS sheets from the Canadian government for their article entitled.
PAR Sheets, probabilities, and slot machine play: Implications for problem and non-problem gambling
Journal of Gambling Issues: Issue 23, June 2009
There are some PARS sheets for old games that have been posted online (see my blog) but not progressive games.
Wizard
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There are some PARS sheets for old games that have been posted online. I am not sure what the big deal is about them, as the tricks are not overly difficult to figure out.
I have a whole box of PAR sheets but don't want to get sued for publishing them. It is really no big deal to have some. I already explain how some slots are designed on my Odds site much more clearly than any PAR sheet.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Mooseton
Thank you paco, I have read that before and it is a good read.Wiz- I am anxious to hear what happens in may. I am jealous of your sheets. If I had them, I would make a professional slot player app with calculators for the more common progressives. Throw in the mystery progressive target point calculator with some other gambling tips and ouila! You have professional slot playing for dummies.
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,.. :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
onenickelmiracle
I think you have two of my stories mixed up. To make a long story short, I don't have any PAR sheets I can legally share and lost my legal fight over another similar matter. More on that when I write about it in May.
Darn, but I look forward to reading it. I was all ready to pay $20 for the legal defense fund.
In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the care taker. Hold my beer.
AlanMendelson
Is it out of order for me to ask if the FOI case was against government regulators or were you bringing it against the manufacturers?
Wizard
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I am jealous of your sheets. If I had them, I would make a professional slot player app with calculators for the more common progressives. Throw in the mystery progressive target point calculator with some other gambling tips and ouila! You have professional slot playing for dummies.
My PAR sheets are for games from the late nineties and early zeros. As far as I know, none are progressive.
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Is it out of order for me to ask if the FOI case was against government regulators or were you bringing it against the manufacturers?
You, sir, are out of order! Sorry, I've always wanted to say that. The case was against the Nevada Gaming Control Board, and I lost. The story is pretty boring; don't get your hopes up. After a lot of legal expense on both sides the judge ruled against me without stating a reason.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
FleaStiff
PAR sheets ? Strips, straps and stops..?
What is relevant disclosure?
You tell a mesmerized drunk: you put your money in here and you press this little red button here, then lights flash and you either win or lose.
Is a casino required to disclose how bright the lights are or how sultry the recorded voice is? The only disclosure issue is the stats of hitting it big or not hitting it at all.
Such disclosure now appears to be made as a percentage basis over a non-defined 'long term'.
What is relevant disclosure?
You tell a mesmerized drunk: you put your money in here and you press this little red button here, then lights flash and you either win or lose.
Is a casino required to disclose how bright the lights are or how sultry the recorded voice is? The only disclosure issue is the stats of hitting it big or not hitting it at all.
Such disclosure now appears to be made as a percentage basis over a non-defined 'long term'.